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You were one of the first modernists who talked about the preservation of older buildings. Now we're in a different era where we're discussing modern preservation. What are your thoughts on this campaign?
If there's anything that really excises me, it's the lack of knowledge, the lack of standards, being applied indiscriminately across the board to modern buildings. I get so upset about it. You know how I feel about 2 Columbus Circle? This was an example of how you had to balance good against bad, past against future, reuse against what would happen to the building. The preservationists proved not only incapable of discussing it, but went into paranoia mode. I think the whole movement seems to be doing that. Of course it was a complex issue but they should have been able to sort it out. And then to compare--you always get one crazy directing these things who has the quality of leadership--Ed Stone's poor little lollipop building to the loss of Penn Station! They were really doing this! Although I did write in specific terms about 2 Columbus Circle, I haven't gotten myself down out of the emotional response enough to write in general terms about modern preservation.

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