rip ellie greenwich singular songwriter
obit / archived stream gaylords radio tribute show
incase i didnt get the point across with this prolific and amazing artist:
The following is a partial listing of her achievements:
ellie wishes to acknowledge the major collaborators on some of her songs: Jeff Barry, Jeff Kent, George 'Shadow' Morton, Phil Spector & Steve Tudanger
SONGS WRITTEN BY ELLIE GREENWICH
A FINE FINE BOY
Darlene Love
AFTER THE TWILIGHT
Irene Cara
A GIRL LIKE THAT
Nona Hendryx
ALL GROWN UP
The Crystals, The Exciters
AND THEN HE KISSED ME
Willeke Alberti, Richard Anthony, Joanna Bell and The Blenders, Rodney Bingenheimer, Broad Herman With Wild Romabce, Julie Budd, Candy, Dynette Set, Bob Dokas and Custom Blend, Dave Edmunds, Erasure, Gary Glitter, Ellie Greenwich, Jezebel and Chris, Kiss, Lucy Loves Schroeder, Dinah Manoff, Martha and the Vandellas, Juice Newton, Sandy Posey, Joey Pugliattia, Terry Reid,Rock Box, Scratch Band, Sonny And Cher, Rachel Sweet, Sha Na Na, Trixy and The Testones, Moe Tucker, Ted Zabawa, The Beach Boys, The Crystals, The Dacrons, The Derailers, The Dixie-Cups, The Drifters, The Flying Lizards, The Hilights, The Lurkers, The Hollywood Brats, The Joey's, The Marvels, The Monday Blues, The Starlings,
BABY BE MINE
The Jellybeans
BABY I LOVE YOU
Dave Edmunds, Roberta Flack, Annie Golden, Ellie Greenwich, Dennis Hathaway, Bobby Heath, Andy Kim, Linda Ronstadt, The Ramones, The Ronnettes
BE MY BABY The RIAA (Recording Industry Association Of America) and The NEA (National Endowment For The Arts).....have included this song on their list of the Greatest Songs Of The 20th Century
Frank Alaimo, Carmine Appice, Graham Bonnet, Shaun Cassidy, Essex, Melissa Ethridge, Gary Glitter, Sui Generis, Annie Golden, Ellie Greenwich, Cissy Houston, Humble Pie, Ivy, Jive Bunny and The Mastermixers, Jon and The Nightriders, Andy Kim, French Kicks, John Lennon, Steve Marriott, Bette Midler, Pink Nasty, Los Gatos Negros, Money Joe, Sandy Posey, Sande Shaw, Ringo Starr, Rachel Sweet, Reparata and The Delrons, Linda Ronstadt, Ruby Starr, Smokie, Fonzi Thornton, Tiny Tim, Twiggy, Whifield III, Ian Whitcomb, Brian Wilson, The Allstars, The Aztecs, The Bay City Rollers, The Beach Boys, The Carpenters, The Chiffons, The Dee Archer Band, The Drones, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Kingsmen, The Midetmen, The Pete Best Band, The Ronnettes, The Searchers, the Yums Yums.
BOYS IN THE ATTIC
Ellen Foley
CHAPEL OF LOVE
Ellie Greenwich, Hit Crew, Holly and The Italians, Elton John, Laverne and Shirley, Darlene Love, Bette Midler, Moonlighter, Judith Muro, Jonathan Richman, Sam The Sham and The Pharohs, Ellen Reid, The Ad Libs, The Beach Boys, The Crystals, The Dixie-Cups, The Electric Flag, The Pfiester Sisters, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Persuassions, The Ronnettes
CHRISTMAS BABY (PLEASE COME HOME)
Mariah Carey, Cher, Death Cab For Cutie, Dion, Flash Caddilac, Ted Harold, Hanson, Husky Team, Jon Bon Jovi, Last Train Home, Darlene Love, Rosie O'Donnell and Cher, New Bomb Turks, Joey Ramone, Reina, Sha Na Na, Brenda K. Starr, Sten and Stanley, U2, The desires, The Searchers
DA DOO RON RON
Another Joe, Frank Alaimo, Shaun Cassidy, Dave Edmunds, Johnny Hallyday, George Harrison, Laverne and Shirley, Bette Midler, Ellie Greenwich, Snarly Grumble,, Karen Kamon, Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas, Mike Love and Dean Torrance, Darlene Love, Ian Matthews, Jack Nitzsche, Alyssa Milano, Sha Na Na, Stormy Weather, Brian Wilson, The Aztecs, The Belmonts, The Carpenters, the Chiffons, The Crystals, The Donnas, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Raindrops, The Rattles, The Rolling Stones, The Searchers, The Starlite Orchestra, The Who
DO WAH DIDDY DIDDY
A La Carte, Baby Talk, Bel-Air-Bandits, Count Basie, Patrick Cassidy, Jan and Dean, Neil Diamond, DJ Otzi, Andrew Gold, Lesley Gore, Ellie Greenwich, Black Lace, Los Gatos Negros, Hit crew, Herbie Mann, Manfred Mann, Mr. Al, Reparata and The Delrons, Rock Candy, Silicon Teens, Shoaddywaddy, 2 Live Crew, The Blue Melons, the Exciters, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Fools, The Fun Factory, The Manfreds, The Moffats, the Ronnettes, The Soca Boys, The Sugar Beats, The Young Rascals
DON'T EVER LEAVE ME
Connie Francis, Ted Hawkins, The Hounds, Jan & Dean
DON'T STOP MY HEART
Elaine Caswell
GEE BABY GEE
The Ad Libs, The Dixie Cups, The Butterflys, The Sisters
GEE THE MOON IS SHINNING BRIGHT
The Dixie Cups, The Ad Libs
GIRLS CAN TELL
The Crystals, The Dixie Cups
GIVE US YOUR BLESSINGS
Ray Peterson
GOODNIGHT BABY
Ellie Greenwich, Brenton Wood, The Butterflies, The Imaginations, The Jellybeans. The Searchers
GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME
Ellie Greenwich & Desmond Child
HANKY PANKY
Freddy Cannon, Patrick Cassidy, Creek, Ron Dante, Neil Diamond, Ellie Greenwich, Herman The German, Tommy James and The Shondells, Joan Jett, Link Protrudi and The Jaymen, Los Hitters, Los Rockin' Devils, Sam The Sham and The Pharohs, Tommy Roe, Tony Roman, The Cramps, The Raindrops, The Ventures
HE AIN’T NO ANGEL
The Ad-Libs, Conway Twitty
HEARTBREAKER
B Girls, The Crystals
HE'S GOT THE POWER
The Exciters
HOLD ON BABY
Sam Hawkins, Ike and Tina Turner
I CAN HEAR MUSIC
Curt Boettcher, Ellie Greenwich, Peggy Lee, Freddie Mercury, Ronnie Spector, Kathy Trocolli, Queen, The Beach Boys, The Ronettes, the Ventures
I DIDN'T MEAN TO HURT YOU
The Rockin' Berries, The Shirelles
I HAVE A BOYFRIEND
The Chiffons, Martha & TheVandellas
I KNOW IT’S ALL RIGHT
Sam Hawkins
I WANNA LOVE HIM SO BAD
The Jelly Beans, Dinah Manoff, Chilli Willie & The Red Hot Peppers
I WANT YOU
Nona Hendryx
I WISH I NEVER SAW THE SUN SHINE
Beth Orton, Ronnie Spector, the Ronettes
I WONDER
Supersnazz, The Butterflies, The Crystals, The Ronettes
I'LL NEVER NEED MORE THAN THIS
Ike & Tina Turner
I'LL TAKE YOU WHERE THE MUSIC'S PLAYING
Pat Lynch and The Airchords, The Drifters, The Melodians, The Tremeloes
I'VE GOT A DREAM
The Moodyblues, The Soul Brothers
JUMP START MY HEART
Clarence Clemons
KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL
Ellen Foley, Ellie Greenwich, Nona Hendryx
LEADER OF THE PACK The RIAA (Recording Industry Association Of America) and The NEA (National Endowment For The Arts).....have included this song on their list of the Greatest Songs Of The 20th Century
Frank Alaimo, Alvin and The Chipmunks, Jana Anderson, Bandit, Buddies, Melissa Etheridge, Wayne Fontana, Bette Midler, Annie Golden, Hit Crew, Good Riddance, Twisted Sister, The Carpenters, The Dixie-Cups, The Fabulous singlettes, The Green Bay Packers, the Shangri-las, The Shirelles
LITTLE BELL
The Dixie Cups
LITTLE BOY
Andy White, The Crystals
LITTLE GIRL
The Crystals, The Signals, Karen Verros
LOOK OF LOVE
Pattie Darcy, Lesley Gore, Ellie Greenwich, The Copycats
LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO MY HEART
The Shirelles, The Elgins
MAYBE I KNOW
Nancy Boyd, Lesley Gore, Ellie Greenwich, They Might Be Giants, The Cappellos, The Seashells
MIDNIGHT FEELING
Cheryl Barnes, Patty Smyth
NOT TOO YOUNG TO GET MARRIED
Darlene Love, Bobby Soxx & The Blue Jeans
ONE BOY TOO LATE
Mike Clifford, Rick Nelson, Bobby Vee
OUT IN THE STREETS
Blondie, God is my co-pilot, Versus, The Dixie-Cups, The Shangri-las
PEOPLE SAY
Flight Recorder, Scott McCaughey, The Ad Libs, The Dixie-Cups, The Minus 5
PLEASE MAKE THE LOVE GO AWAY
The Whatnaughts
RIGHT TRACK, WRONG TRAIN
Cyndi Lauper
RIVER DEEP. MOUNTAIN HIGH
Song Chosen By Australian Press as #9 in a list of the 100 greatest songs - ever
Jimmy Barnes, Jack Bruno, Cold Chisel, Deep Purple, Celine Dion, Tina Charles, Easybeats, Episode Six, Erasure, Eric Burdon, Eric Burdon and The Animals, Neil Diamond, Keith and Donna Godchaux, Ellie Greenwich, Dobir Grey, Group Therapy, Jasmine Guy, Carol Jiani, Lori Johnson, Katrina and The Waves, Richard Kendrick, Cyndi Lauper and Tom Jones, Annie Lennox, London Symphony Orchestra, Long John Baldry, Darlene Love, Kelly Marie, Les McCann, Meatloaf, Mescaline Drive, Harry Nillson, Bill Real and The Rhondells, Savage Resurrection, Ted Roddy, Bob Seger, Sue and Sonny, Gary Tesca, Ike and Tina Turner, Tina Turner, Those Peabodys, Leslie Uggams, Robert Wells, the Aint's, The BB Band, The Flamin' Groovies, The Four Tops, The Saints, The Shadows, The Starsound Orchestra, The Supremes and The Four Tops
STREET-WISE
Gail Boggs
TAKE ME HOME TONIGHT
Eddie Money & Ronnie Spector, Paddy Goes To Holyhead
THE SUNSHINE AFTER THE RAIN
Number One in England on both the POP and DANCE Charts in 1997
Elkie Brooks, Ellie Greenwich, New Atlantic/U4EA featuring Berri, The Bel-Aires
THE SWIM
Laura Benedict, Disney's Dance Along, The Butterflys
THE TRAIN FROM KANSAS CITY
Neko Case, Superchunk, The Dixie-Cups, The Shangri-las, The Shop Assistants
THIS IT IT
Jay & The Americans
TODAY I MET THE BOY I'M GONNA MARRY
Louisa Florio, Ellie Greenwich, Darlene Love, The Crystals
WAIT 'TILL MY BOBBY GETS HOME
Bobby Soxx & The Blue Jeans, Ellie Greenwich, Darlene Love, Martha & The Vandellas
WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT (AFTER ALL)
Patty Smyth, Broadway Cast: Leader Of The Pack
WHAT GOOD IS I LOVE YOU
Ellie Greenwich, Dusty Springfield
WHEN THE BOY’S HAPPY
The Four Pennies, The Chiffons, The Raindrops
WHY DO LOVERS BREAK EACH OTHER'S HEARTS?
Bobby Soxx & The Blue Jeans, Darlene Love
WHY DON'T THEY LET US FALL IN LOVE
Sonny & Cher, Veronica
YOU SHOULD'VE SEEN THE WAY HE LOOKED AT ME
The Dixie-Cups
SONGS WRITTEN AND PRODUCED BY ELLIE GREENWICH
BABY, LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO MY HEART The Shirelles
CHAPEL OF LOVE The Dixie-Cups
DON'T EVER LEAVE ME Connie Francis
I WANNA LOVE HIM SO BAD The Jelly Beans
LEADER OF THE PACK The Shangri-las
LEADER OF THE PACK Broadway Cast Album
PEOPLE SAY The Dixie-Cups
THE KIND OF BOY YOU CAN'T FORGET The Raindrops
WHAT A GUY The Raindrops
WHAT GOOD IS I LOVE YOU? Dusty Springfield
SONGS PRODUCED BY ELLIE GREENWICH
CHERRY CHERRY Neil Diamond
I GOT THE FEELING Neil Diamond
KENTUCKY WOMAN Neil Diamond
LEADER OF THE PACK Broadway Cast Album
SHILO Neil Diamond
SOLITARY MAN Neil Diamond
THANK THE LORD FOR THE NIGHT TIME Neil Diamond
THE BOAT THAT I ROW Neil Diamond
VARIOUS ALBUMS Neil Diamond
SONGS RECORDED BY ELLIE GREENWICH (Artist)
ELLIE GREENWICH COMPOSES, PRODUCES, AND SINGS Ellie Greenwich
I WANT YOU TO BE MY BABY(Top Forty) Ellie Greenwich
LEADER OF THE PACK (Album-Elektra) Ellie Greenwich
Cast Album from Broadway Show (Various Artists)
LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE SUNG Ellie Greenwich (Album-MGM/Verve)
LETS GO TOGETHER (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
NIKY HOEKY (United Artists-Number One Record..Japan) Ellie Greenwich
ONE MORE TEAR (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
THAT BOY JOHN (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
THE KIND OF BOY YOU CAN'T FORGET (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
THE RAINDROPS(Album-Jubilee) As The Raindrops
WHAT A GUY (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
VOCAL BACKGROUND SINGING AND ARRANGING
Aretha Franklin (Vocal arranged 1968 R and B Record Of The Year...Grammy Award Winning, "Chain Of Fools") Cyndi Lauper (Vocal arranged and sang on Number One Record ("Girls Just Wanna Have Fun") Bette Midler...Blondie (Number One "Dreamin'")...Electric Light Orchestra (Number One "Evil Woman")...Lobo...Frank Sinatra...Connie Francis...Ella Fitzgerald. Leslie Gore (Most of her top records)...The Ronettes...The Raindrops...The Shirelles...Gary U.S. Bonds...Manhattan Transfer...Neil Diamond (All His Early Hits)...Ellen Foley...Clarence Clemons...Patty Smyth...Lou Christie (Top Ten Record "Baby I'm Gonna Make You Mine")...Sarah Vaughn...Miriam Makeba...Tommy James...Erroll Garner...Bobby Darin...Dusty Springfield...The Shangri-las (All Hits)...Andy Kim (Top Ten "Baby I Love You")...Robert John (Number One Record "The Lion Sleeps Tonight")...Bernadette Peters...Jim Croce...Holly and the Italians, "When The Radio Is On" and "What Is Soul?" on Paul Shaffer's "Coast To Coast" Album. Also performed in the video for "When The Radio Is On", among others.
SONGS FOR FILMS
STREAMERS FLAMINGO KID
CACTUS FLOWER BABY BOOM
BABY BOOM MEAN STREETS
SIXTEEN CANDLES HANKY PANKY
FOR KEEPS BETSY’S WEDDING
GREMLINS GOOD FELLAS
BABY, IT'S YOU L.A. STORY
STRIPES FATHER OF THE BRIDE
FULL METAL JACKET MY GIRL
DIRTY DANCING FOUR WEDDINGS & A FUNERAL
WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT FORREST GUMP
PLAYING FOR KEEPS NINE MONTHS
COUPE DE VILLE NATURAL BORN KILLERS
BRIDGES OF MADISON COUNTY PICK UP ARTIST
SHORT CIRCUIT 2 PARADISE CLUB
ADVENTURES IN BABYSITTING RIDING IN CARS WITH BOYS
WHAT’S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT BAD SANTA
SECRETARY
SONGS FOR TELEVISION
Songs by Ellie Greenwich have appeared in numerous television shows, both dramatically and musically-oriented. Some of these shows are:
MOONLIGHTING AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS
T.J. HOOKER LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED
KATE AND ALLIE LEGENDARY LADIES (Cinemax)
MIAMI VICE FAMILY TIES
MURPHY BROWN MY SISTER SAM
FULL HOUSE PRIVATE POPSICLE
ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS QUADROPHENIA
RIPTIDE ST. ELSEWHERE
FALL GUY TRACY ULLMAN
BENNY HILL COLUMBO
GIMME A BREAK JOE PISCOPO NEW JERSEY
HAPPY DAYS GOING TO THE CHAPEL
LAVERNE & SHIRLEY PERFECT STRANGERS
INSIDERS HOME IMPROVEMENT
ALMOST GROWN A DIFFERENT WORLD
INCREDIBLE SUNDAY EVENING SHADE
AS THE WORLD TURNS GUIDING LIGHT
CAROL AND COMPANY MORK AND MINDY
CHEERS THIRTY SOMETHING
CHINA BEACH ENT. TONIGHT
HEAD OF THE CLASS BEVERLY HILLS 90210
ROSEANNE LA STORY
WONDER YEARS BLOSSOM
HOME IMPROVEMENT HARD COPY
WOMAN OF THE HOUSE 20/20
LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN ONE LIFE TO LIVE
HOME IMPROVEMENT ALLY McBEAL
FUTURISTIC WORLD OF HANNNA BARBERA
THE ROSIE O’DONNELL SHOW Rock 'N Roll (PBS)
PASSIONS (NBC) TODAY (NBC)
TONIGHT WITH JAY LENO (NBC) LIVE WITH REGIS AND KELLY (ABC)
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS HEADLINERS AND LEGENDS
LITTLE CURIOUS (HBO) TINA TURNER "ONE LAST TIME" (CBS)
AMERICAN DREAMS BOSTON PUBLIC (Fox)
AMERICAN IDOL SURVIVOR-Amazon
CYBILL DHARMA & GREG
CAROLINE RHEA SHOW CELEBRITY JUSTICE
DATELINE NBC NFL PRE-GAME SHOW
SECRETARY HBO
and lets not forget the commercial applications:
FEATURED
A) BOOKS AND PERIODICALS:
1) Rolling Stone's Illustrated History Of Rock and Roll 14) Ms. Magazine
2) Dick Clark's Rock, Roll & Remember 15) People Magazine
3) Norman Nite's "Rock On" Vol. I, II 16) New York Magazine
4) Rock-A-Bye-Baby 17) Rolling Stone Magazine
5) Out Of His Head 18) New Yorker Magazine
6) The Phil Spector Story 19) Interview Magazine
7) Girl Groups 20) Goldmine Magazine
8) Vogue 21) Theater World - Vol#41
9) Seventeen 22) Behind The Hits
10) Daily News Magazine 23) B.M.I. Magazine
11) He's A Rebel 24) Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow
12) Be My Baby 25) Goldmine Magazine (1994)
13) Girl Groups 26) Vanity Fair
B) TELEVISION:
1) "20/20"-ABC 10) "OUR WORLD" ABC
2) "DONAHUE"-NBC 11) "VH-1"
3) "LIVE AT FIVE"-NBC 12) "MTV"
4) "GOOD MORNING AMERICA"-ABC 13) "INN"
5) "TODAY"-NBC 14) "10 PM NEWS"-FOX
6) "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT"-ABC 15) JUDITH LICHT - FOX
7) "CNN" 16) "GOOD DAY N.Y."-FOX
8) A&E BIOGRAPHY "The Hitmakers" 17) CNN
9) VH-1 BEHIND THE MUSIC - "Neil Diamond"
JINGLES
Oreo Mini Cookies-"Be My Baby" Wrote
Levi's "Be My Baby" England and Europe Wrote Clio Winner
American Express "Be My Baby" Wrote
Lincoln/Mercury "Nothing Moves You" Background
Clearasil "Da Doo Ron Ron" Wrote
Energizer "It Do Run Run" Wrote
Sunkist Two-T-Fruits Wrote Group Lead
Kentucky Fried "Chicken Littles" Wrote
(Do Wah Diddy)
Macy's/Bambergers "Macy's Kids" Wrote Lead/Background
McDonald's "Big Mac-Leader Of The Pack" Wrote
Sasson Activewear "Oo-la-la-Sasson" Wrote Lead/Background Clio Nominee
Dingo Boots Lead/Background
Diet Mountain Dew Lead
Pepsi Cola "Have A Pepsi Day" Lead
Pepsi International Group Lead/Background
Coke-Neil Diamond (10 Spots) Produced/Background
Budwiser "PIrates" Group Lead
Heavenly Body Shampoo Wrote Lead
Hi-C Orange Drink (2 Spots) Lead
Chunky "Chunky's Back" Lead/Background
Lifesaver "Lollipop" Arranged Lead/Background
Hanes Leggs (5 Spots) Background
Catawba Wine Lead
Bravura Cologne Wrote Group/Lead/Prod.
First Union National Bank Wrote Lead/Background
Clairol Summer Blonde Spray & Shampoo Lead/Background
Navy Recruitment (14 Spots) Lead/Announced
Clairol "Born Blonde" Lead
Clairol "Kindness" Group Lead
Tom McCan "We" (2 Spots) Lead
TWA "Up, Up and Away" Group Lead
Pennsylvania Excitement Group Lead
Post Toasties Cereal (3 Spots) Background
Ford "Gives You Better Ideas" Group Lead
Ford "It's The Going Thing" Group Lead
Carrolls Drive-In Restaurants Group Lead
Bright Side Shampoo Group Lead
Johnson and Johnson's Band Aids Lead
American Airlines "You Get The Best Of Everything" Group Lead
Pacific Security Nat'l Bank Of California Background
Cheerios "Breakfast Together" Wrote Background
Helene Curtis "Everynight Shampoo" Lead
Prince Albert Tobacco (2 Spots) Wrote Lead/Background Clio Nominee
Mighty Marker Group Lead/BG
Skippy Peamut Butter Background
Peter Paul Caravelle Wrote Group Lead
Hamm's Beer Wrote Lead/Background
Hebrew National Hot Dogs "What's More Amer." Group Lead/BG
Arrowsmith Shoes (2 Spots) Lead/Background
Beechnut "Yum" Group Lead/BG
this is why i dont get all bent up about defining a hard line between high and low popular culture.
There's still a line?
After all the stomping?
only when its your favorite song and you dont like the advertisers product.
otherwise its all good.
If someone thinks the synergy between a song and a commercial sucks Bill accuses them of believing in artistic purity and "defining hard lines." I know you're not talking about me here, Bill.
do wah diddy, if the shoe fitty...
I think it's time to retire the Greenberg straw man. Although he had many good points.
ignoratio elenchi
A complaint about one context (a bad, sentimental commercial) destroying the "aura of a song" isn't the same as saying the song can never be used for any other context. In that post I gave an example where the "aura" translated well from one pop culture venue (Popeye with Robin Williams) to another (a PT Anderson movie starring Adam Sandler). We've discussed this many times and you keep misunderstanding the post as some kind of Greenbergian statement of purity, or high art, or "high pop art," or something.
You asked me in July to name an ad where a pop tune worked. I suggested Juan Atkins' techno anthem "No UFOs" in a Ford commercial. The commercial was undeniably exciting and "worked" even though the original context (Detroit kids making art in the ruins of car culture) was lost.
We probably shouldn't even be talking about this since you likely didn't see Popeye or Punch Drunk Love or the Nike commercial in question. You took something I wrote in a moment of honest passion and read your agenda into it.
ive seen popeye but not PDL. nike ad?
i dont think ive ever even mentioned greenberg. one can discuss purity with out greenberg but you cant discuss greenberg with out purity.
in order to feel assured that you were arguing your point at that moment in july consistent with your many many rants about how commercials ruin music
( and or that musicians are greedy or selling out if they do license out material for commercial use. i have provided one example by linking to your nilsson post, but there are others. you know better than i where they are in posts and comments on both of our pages.) i asked you for cases where you were in approval. it took a while but you did come up with one example. it (that single example) still sounds more an exception than the rule. i can name thousands of ditties from deodorant jingles to nick drake that i appreciate unironically .
my agenda is only this. clarity. pop culture is what it is popular culture. the song writers at the brill building (as did the tin pan alley writers before them) went to work in the morning and at the end of the day most of them had justified renting their office by creating a commodity that would feed their family, pay for their clothing, provide them with a somewhat reasonable middle class life style and contribute to the american song book in an astonishing way. most of them will comment on the sea change of '65, the british invasion (beatles) and singer songwriters (dylan) effectively ending their prominent standing in musical sales charts. but really nothing had changed, it was still record companies moving units.
you allowed a pop commodity to take on an aura which could be ruined by it behaving just as a pop commodity (dogs bark - ducks quack), refolding into popular culture as advertising instead of radio play or a disc on your shelf. i dont think you can blame anyone but your self for over investing in an aura bubble. i see you going there time after time, this is not an isolated occurrence. im not making this up. i dont know what to call it. ive tried purist (which isnt inherently a bad value ) but you had a bad reaction to that and called it a greenberghian straw man argument and my agenda. you tell me what it is. because now im starting to think it is idealistic in nature.
again with the straw man. heres what tom has to say.
and heres what the wiki says about popeye and harry. a glance at nilssons biography shows him to be a successful and talented professional songsmith. quack-quack, quack.
heres another obit on huffpo
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obit / archived stream gaylords radio tribute show
- bill 9-01-2009 1:09 pm
incase i didnt get the point across with this prolific and amazing artist:
The following is a partial listing of her achievements:
ellie wishes to acknowledge the major collaborators on some of her songs: Jeff Barry, Jeff Kent, George 'Shadow' Morton, Phil Spector & Steve Tudanger
SONGS WRITTEN BY ELLIE GREENWICH
A FINE FINE BOY
Darlene Love
AFTER THE TWILIGHT
Irene Cara
A GIRL LIKE THAT
Nona Hendryx
ALL GROWN UP
The Crystals, The Exciters
AND THEN HE KISSED ME
Willeke Alberti, Richard Anthony, Joanna Bell and The Blenders, Rodney Bingenheimer, Broad Herman With Wild Romabce, Julie Budd, Candy, Dynette Set, Bob Dokas and Custom Blend, Dave Edmunds, Erasure, Gary Glitter, Ellie Greenwich, Jezebel and Chris, Kiss, Lucy Loves Schroeder, Dinah Manoff, Martha and the Vandellas, Juice Newton, Sandy Posey, Joey Pugliattia, Terry Reid,Rock Box, Scratch Band, Sonny And Cher, Rachel Sweet, Sha Na Na, Trixy and The Testones, Moe Tucker, Ted Zabawa, The Beach Boys, The Crystals, The Dacrons, The Derailers, The Dixie-Cups, The Drifters, The Flying Lizards, The Hilights, The Lurkers, The Hollywood Brats, The Joey's, The Marvels, The Monday Blues, The Starlings,
BABY BE MINE
The Jellybeans
BABY I LOVE YOU
Dave Edmunds, Roberta Flack, Annie Golden, Ellie Greenwich, Dennis Hathaway, Bobby Heath, Andy Kim, Linda Ronstadt, The Ramones, The Ronnettes
BE MY BABY The RIAA (Recording Industry Association Of America) and The NEA (National Endowment For The Arts).....have included this song on their list of the Greatest Songs Of The 20th Century
Frank Alaimo, Carmine Appice, Graham Bonnet, Shaun Cassidy, Essex, Melissa Ethridge, Gary Glitter, Sui Generis, Annie Golden, Ellie Greenwich, Cissy Houston, Humble Pie, Ivy, Jive Bunny and The Mastermixers, Jon and The Nightriders, Andy Kim, French Kicks, John Lennon, Steve Marriott, Bette Midler, Pink Nasty, Los Gatos Negros, Money Joe, Sandy Posey, Sande Shaw, Ringo Starr, Rachel Sweet, Reparata and The Delrons, Linda Ronstadt, Ruby Starr, Smokie, Fonzi Thornton, Tiny Tim, Twiggy, Whifield III, Ian Whitcomb, Brian Wilson, The Allstars, The Aztecs, The Bay City Rollers, The Beach Boys, The Carpenters, The Chiffons, The Dee Archer Band, The Drones, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Kingsmen, The Midetmen, The Pete Best Band, The Ronnettes, The Searchers, the Yums Yums.
BOYS IN THE ATTIC
Ellen Foley
CHAPEL OF LOVE
Ellie Greenwich, Hit Crew, Holly and The Italians, Elton John, Laverne and Shirley, Darlene Love, Bette Midler, Moonlighter, Judith Muro, Jonathan Richman, Sam The Sham and The Pharohs, Ellen Reid, The Ad Libs, The Beach Boys, The Crystals, The Dixie-Cups, The Electric Flag, The Pfiester Sisters, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Persuassions, The Ronnettes
CHRISTMAS BABY (PLEASE COME HOME)
Mariah Carey, Cher, Death Cab For Cutie, Dion, Flash Caddilac, Ted Harold, Hanson, Husky Team, Jon Bon Jovi, Last Train Home, Darlene Love, Rosie O'Donnell and Cher, New Bomb Turks, Joey Ramone, Reina, Sha Na Na, Brenda K. Starr, Sten and Stanley, U2, The desires, The Searchers
DA DOO RON RON
Another Joe, Frank Alaimo, Shaun Cassidy, Dave Edmunds, Johnny Hallyday, George Harrison, Laverne and Shirley, Bette Midler, Ellie Greenwich, Snarly Grumble,, Karen Kamon, Billy J. Kramer and The Dakotas, Mike Love and Dean Torrance, Darlene Love, Ian Matthews, Jack Nitzsche, Alyssa Milano, Sha Na Na, Stormy Weather, Brian Wilson, The Aztecs, The Belmonts, The Carpenters, the Chiffons, The Crystals, The Donnas, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Raindrops, The Rattles, The Rolling Stones, The Searchers, The Starlite Orchestra, The Who
DO WAH DIDDY DIDDY
A La Carte, Baby Talk, Bel-Air-Bandits, Count Basie, Patrick Cassidy, Jan and Dean, Neil Diamond, DJ Otzi, Andrew Gold, Lesley Gore, Ellie Greenwich, Black Lace, Los Gatos Negros, Hit crew, Herbie Mann, Manfred Mann, Mr. Al, Reparata and The Delrons, Rock Candy, Silicon Teens, Shoaddywaddy, 2 Live Crew, The Blue Melons, the Exciters, The Fabulous Singlettes, The Fools, The Fun Factory, The Manfreds, The Moffats, the Ronnettes, The Soca Boys, The Sugar Beats, The Young Rascals
DON'T EVER LEAVE ME
Connie Francis, Ted Hawkins, The Hounds, Jan & Dean
DON'T STOP MY HEART
Elaine Caswell
GEE BABY GEE
The Ad Libs, The Dixie Cups, The Butterflys, The Sisters
GEE THE MOON IS SHINNING BRIGHT
The Dixie Cups, The Ad Libs
GIRLS CAN TELL
The Crystals, The Dixie Cups
GIVE US YOUR BLESSINGS
Ray Peterson
GOODNIGHT BABY
Ellie Greenwich, Brenton Wood, The Butterflies, The Imaginations, The Jellybeans. The Searchers
GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME
Ellie Greenwich & Desmond Child
HANKY PANKY
Freddy Cannon, Patrick Cassidy, Creek, Ron Dante, Neil Diamond, Ellie Greenwich, Herman The German, Tommy James and The Shondells, Joan Jett, Link Protrudi and The Jaymen, Los Hitters, Los Rockin' Devils, Sam The Sham and The Pharohs, Tommy Roe, Tony Roman, The Cramps, The Raindrops, The Ventures
HE AIN’T NO ANGEL
The Ad-Libs, Conway Twitty
HEARTBREAKER
B Girls, The Crystals
HE'S GOT THE POWER
The Exciters
HOLD ON BABY
Sam Hawkins, Ike and Tina Turner
I CAN HEAR MUSIC
Curt Boettcher, Ellie Greenwich, Peggy Lee, Freddie Mercury, Ronnie Spector, Kathy Trocolli, Queen, The Beach Boys, The Ronettes, the Ventures
I DIDN'T MEAN TO HURT YOU
The Rockin' Berries, The Shirelles
I HAVE A BOYFRIEND
The Chiffons, Martha & TheVandellas
I KNOW IT’S ALL RIGHT
Sam Hawkins
I WANNA LOVE HIM SO BAD
The Jelly Beans, Dinah Manoff, Chilli Willie & The Red Hot Peppers
I WANT YOU
Nona Hendryx
I WISH I NEVER SAW THE SUN SHINE
Beth Orton, Ronnie Spector, the Ronettes
I WONDER
Supersnazz, The Butterflies, The Crystals, The Ronettes
I'LL NEVER NEED MORE THAN THIS
Ike & Tina Turner
I'LL TAKE YOU WHERE THE MUSIC'S PLAYING
Pat Lynch and The Airchords, The Drifters, The Melodians, The Tremeloes
I'VE GOT A DREAM
The Moodyblues, The Soul Brothers
JUMP START MY HEART
Clarence Clemons
KEEP IT CONFIDENTIAL
Ellen Foley, Ellie Greenwich, Nona Hendryx
LEADER OF THE PACK The RIAA (Recording Industry Association Of America) and The NEA (National Endowment For The Arts).....have included this song on their list of the Greatest Songs Of The 20th Century
Frank Alaimo, Alvin and The Chipmunks, Jana Anderson, Bandit, Buddies, Melissa Etheridge, Wayne Fontana, Bette Midler, Annie Golden, Hit Crew, Good Riddance, Twisted Sister, The Carpenters, The Dixie-Cups, The Fabulous singlettes, The Green Bay Packers, the Shangri-las, The Shirelles
LITTLE BELL
The Dixie Cups
LITTLE BOY
Andy White, The Crystals
LITTLE GIRL
The Crystals, The Signals, Karen Verros
LOOK OF LOVE
Pattie Darcy, Lesley Gore, Ellie Greenwich, The Copycats
LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO MY HEART
The Shirelles, The Elgins
MAYBE I KNOW
Nancy Boyd, Lesley Gore, Ellie Greenwich, They Might Be Giants, The Cappellos, The Seashells
MIDNIGHT FEELING
Cheryl Barnes, Patty Smyth
NOT TOO YOUNG TO GET MARRIED
Darlene Love, Bobby Soxx & The Blue Jeans
ONE BOY TOO LATE
Mike Clifford, Rick Nelson, Bobby Vee
OUT IN THE STREETS
Blondie, God is my co-pilot, Versus, The Dixie-Cups, The Shangri-las
PEOPLE SAY
Flight Recorder, Scott McCaughey, The Ad Libs, The Dixie-Cups, The Minus 5
PLEASE MAKE THE LOVE GO AWAY
The Whatnaughts
RIGHT TRACK, WRONG TRAIN
Cyndi Lauper
RIVER DEEP. MOUNTAIN HIGH
Song Chosen By Australian Press as #9 in a list of the 100 greatest songs - ever
Jimmy Barnes, Jack Bruno, Cold Chisel, Deep Purple, Celine Dion, Tina Charles, Easybeats, Episode Six, Erasure, Eric Burdon, Eric Burdon and The Animals, Neil Diamond, Keith and Donna Godchaux, Ellie Greenwich, Dobir Grey, Group Therapy, Jasmine Guy, Carol Jiani, Lori Johnson, Katrina and The Waves, Richard Kendrick, Cyndi Lauper and Tom Jones, Annie Lennox, London Symphony Orchestra, Long John Baldry, Darlene Love, Kelly Marie, Les McCann, Meatloaf, Mescaline Drive, Harry Nillson, Bill Real and The Rhondells, Savage Resurrection, Ted Roddy, Bob Seger, Sue and Sonny, Gary Tesca, Ike and Tina Turner, Tina Turner, Those Peabodys, Leslie Uggams, Robert Wells, the Aint's, The BB Band, The Flamin' Groovies, The Four Tops, The Saints, The Shadows, The Starsound Orchestra, The Supremes and The Four Tops
STREET-WISE
Gail Boggs
TAKE ME HOME TONIGHT
Eddie Money & Ronnie Spector, Paddy Goes To Holyhead
THE SUNSHINE AFTER THE RAIN
Number One in England on both the POP and DANCE Charts in 1997
Elkie Brooks, Ellie Greenwich, New Atlantic/U4EA featuring Berri, The Bel-Aires
THE SWIM
Laura Benedict, Disney's Dance Along, The Butterflys
THE TRAIN FROM KANSAS CITY
Neko Case, Superchunk, The Dixie-Cups, The Shangri-las, The Shop Assistants
THIS IT IT
Jay & The Americans
TODAY I MET THE BOY I'M GONNA MARRY
Louisa Florio, Ellie Greenwich, Darlene Love, The Crystals
WAIT 'TILL MY BOBBY GETS HOME
Bobby Soxx & The Blue Jeans, Ellie Greenwich, Darlene Love, Martha & The Vandellas
WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT (AFTER ALL)
Patty Smyth, Broadway Cast: Leader Of The Pack
WHAT GOOD IS I LOVE YOU
Ellie Greenwich, Dusty Springfield
WHEN THE BOY’S HAPPY
The Four Pennies, The Chiffons, The Raindrops
WHY DO LOVERS BREAK EACH OTHER'S HEARTS?
Bobby Soxx & The Blue Jeans, Darlene Love
WHY DON'T THEY LET US FALL IN LOVE
Sonny & Cher, Veronica
YOU SHOULD'VE SEEN THE WAY HE LOOKED AT ME
The Dixie-Cups
SONGS WRITTEN AND PRODUCED BY ELLIE GREENWICH
BABY, LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO MY HEART The Shirelles
CHAPEL OF LOVE The Dixie-Cups
DON'T EVER LEAVE ME Connie Francis
I WANNA LOVE HIM SO BAD The Jelly Beans
LEADER OF THE PACK The Shangri-las
LEADER OF THE PACK Broadway Cast Album
PEOPLE SAY The Dixie-Cups
THE KIND OF BOY YOU CAN'T FORGET The Raindrops
WHAT A GUY The Raindrops
WHAT GOOD IS I LOVE YOU? Dusty Springfield
SONGS PRODUCED BY ELLIE GREENWICH
CHERRY CHERRY Neil Diamond
I GOT THE FEELING Neil Diamond
KENTUCKY WOMAN Neil Diamond
LEADER OF THE PACK Broadway Cast Album
SHILO Neil Diamond
SOLITARY MAN Neil Diamond
THANK THE LORD FOR THE NIGHT TIME Neil Diamond
THE BOAT THAT I ROW Neil Diamond
VARIOUS ALBUMS Neil Diamond
SONGS RECORDED BY ELLIE GREENWICH (Artist)
ELLIE GREENWICH COMPOSES, PRODUCES, AND SINGS Ellie Greenwich
I WANT YOU TO BE MY BABY(Top Forty) Ellie Greenwich
LEADER OF THE PACK (Album-Elektra) Ellie Greenwich
Cast Album from Broadway Show (Various Artists)
LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE SUNG Ellie Greenwich (Album-MGM/Verve)
LETS GO TOGETHER (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
NIKY HOEKY (United Artists-Number One Record..Japan) Ellie Greenwich
ONE MORE TEAR (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
THAT BOY JOHN (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
THE KIND OF BOY YOU CAN'T FORGET (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
THE RAINDROPS(Album-Jubilee) As The Raindrops
WHAT A GUY (Jubilee) As The Raindrops
VOCAL BACKGROUND SINGING AND ARRANGING
Aretha Franklin (Vocal arranged 1968 R and B Record Of The Year...Grammy Award Winning, "Chain Of Fools") Cyndi Lauper (Vocal arranged and sang on Number One Record ("Girls Just Wanna Have Fun") Bette Midler...Blondie (Number One "Dreamin'")...Electric Light Orchestra (Number One "Evil Woman")...Lobo...Frank Sinatra...Connie Francis...Ella Fitzgerald. Leslie Gore (Most of her top records)...The Ronettes...The Raindrops...The Shirelles...Gary U.S. Bonds...Manhattan Transfer...Neil Diamond (All His Early Hits)...Ellen Foley...Clarence Clemons...Patty Smyth...Lou Christie (Top Ten Record "Baby I'm Gonna Make You Mine")...Sarah Vaughn...Miriam Makeba...Tommy James...Erroll Garner...Bobby Darin...Dusty Springfield...The Shangri-las (All Hits)...Andy Kim (Top Ten "Baby I Love You")...Robert John (Number One Record "The Lion Sleeps Tonight")...Bernadette Peters...Jim Croce...Holly and the Italians, "When The Radio Is On" and "What Is Soul?" on Paul Shaffer's "Coast To Coast" Album. Also performed in the video for "When The Radio Is On", among others.
SONGS FOR FILMS
STREAMERS FLAMINGO KID
CACTUS FLOWER BABY BOOM
BABY BOOM MEAN STREETS
SIXTEEN CANDLES HANKY PANKY
FOR KEEPS BETSY’S WEDDING
GREMLINS GOOD FELLAS
BABY, IT'S YOU L.A. STORY
STRIPES FATHER OF THE BRIDE
FULL METAL JACKET MY GIRL
DIRTY DANCING FOUR WEDDINGS & A FUNERAL
WHAT'S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT FORREST GUMP
PLAYING FOR KEEPS NINE MONTHS
COUPE DE VILLE NATURAL BORN KILLERS
BRIDGES OF MADISON COUNTY PICK UP ARTIST
SHORT CIRCUIT 2 PARADISE CLUB
ADVENTURES IN BABYSITTING RIDING IN CARS WITH BOYS
WHAT’S LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT BAD SANTA
SECRETARY
SONGS FOR TELEVISION
Songs by Ellie Greenwich have appeared in numerous television shows, both dramatically and musically-oriented. Some of these shows are:
MOONLIGHTING AMERICA'S FUNNIEST HOME VIDEOS
T.J. HOOKER LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED
KATE AND ALLIE LEGENDARY LADIES (Cinemax)
MIAMI VICE FAMILY TIES
MURPHY BROWN MY SISTER SAM
FULL HOUSE PRIVATE POPSICLE
ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS QUADROPHENIA
RIPTIDE ST. ELSEWHERE
FALL GUY TRACY ULLMAN
BENNY HILL COLUMBO
GIMME A BREAK JOE PISCOPO NEW JERSEY
HAPPY DAYS GOING TO THE CHAPEL
LAVERNE & SHIRLEY PERFECT STRANGERS
INSIDERS HOME IMPROVEMENT
ALMOST GROWN A DIFFERENT WORLD
INCREDIBLE SUNDAY EVENING SHADE
AS THE WORLD TURNS GUIDING LIGHT
CAROL AND COMPANY MORK AND MINDY
CHEERS THIRTY SOMETHING
CHINA BEACH ENT. TONIGHT
HEAD OF THE CLASS BEVERLY HILLS 90210
ROSEANNE LA STORY
WONDER YEARS BLOSSOM
HOME IMPROVEMENT HARD COPY
WOMAN OF THE HOUSE 20/20
LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN ONE LIFE TO LIVE
HOME IMPROVEMENT ALLY McBEAL
FUTURISTIC WORLD OF HANNNA BARBERA
THE ROSIE O’DONNELL SHOW Rock 'N Roll (PBS)
PASSIONS (NBC) TODAY (NBC)
TONIGHT WITH JAY LENO (NBC) LIVE WITH REGIS AND KELLY (ABC)
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS HEADLINERS AND LEGENDS
LITTLE CURIOUS (HBO) TINA TURNER "ONE LAST TIME" (CBS)
AMERICAN DREAMS BOSTON PUBLIC (Fox)
AMERICAN IDOL SURVIVOR-Amazon
CYBILL DHARMA & GREG
CAROLINE RHEA SHOW CELEBRITY JUSTICE
DATELINE NBC NFL PRE-GAME SHOW
SECRETARY HBO
- bill 9-02-2009 3:28 pm [add a comment]
and lets not forget the commercial applications:
FEATURED
A) BOOKS AND PERIODICALS:
1) Rolling Stone's Illustrated History Of Rock and Roll 14) Ms. Magazine
2) Dick Clark's Rock, Roll & Remember 15) People Magazine
3) Norman Nite's "Rock On" Vol. I, II 16) New York Magazine
4) Rock-A-Bye-Baby 17) Rolling Stone Magazine
5) Out Of His Head 18) New Yorker Magazine
6) The Phil Spector Story 19) Interview Magazine
7) Girl Groups 20) Goldmine Magazine
8) Vogue 21) Theater World - Vol#41
9) Seventeen 22) Behind The Hits
10) Daily News Magazine 23) B.M.I. Magazine
11) He's A Rebel 24) Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow
12) Be My Baby 25) Goldmine Magazine (1994)
13) Girl Groups 26) Vanity Fair
B) TELEVISION:
1) "20/20"-ABC 10) "OUR WORLD" ABC
2) "DONAHUE"-NBC 11) "VH-1"
3) "LIVE AT FIVE"-NBC 12) "MTV"
4) "GOOD MORNING AMERICA"-ABC 13) "INN"
5) "TODAY"-NBC 14) "10 PM NEWS"-FOX
6) "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT"-ABC 15) JUDITH LICHT - FOX
7) "CNN" 16) "GOOD DAY N.Y."-FOX
8) A&E BIOGRAPHY "The Hitmakers" 17) CNN
9) VH-1 BEHIND THE MUSIC - "Neil Diamond"
JINGLES
Oreo Mini Cookies-"Be My Baby" Wrote
Levi's "Be My Baby" England and Europe Wrote Clio Winner
American Express "Be My Baby" Wrote
Lincoln/Mercury "Nothing Moves You" Background
Clearasil "Da Doo Ron Ron" Wrote
Energizer "It Do Run Run" Wrote
Sunkist Two-T-Fruits Wrote Group Lead
Kentucky Fried "Chicken Littles" Wrote
(Do Wah Diddy)
Macy's/Bambergers "Macy's Kids" Wrote Lead/Background
McDonald's "Big Mac-Leader Of The Pack" Wrote
Sasson Activewear "Oo-la-la-Sasson" Wrote Lead/Background Clio Nominee
Dingo Boots Lead/Background
Diet Mountain Dew Lead
Pepsi Cola "Have A Pepsi Day" Lead
Pepsi International Group Lead/Background
Coke-Neil Diamond (10 Spots) Produced/Background
Budwiser "PIrates" Group Lead
Heavenly Body Shampoo Wrote Lead
Hi-C Orange Drink (2 Spots) Lead
Chunky "Chunky's Back" Lead/Background
Lifesaver "Lollipop" Arranged Lead/Background
Hanes Leggs (5 Spots) Background
Catawba Wine Lead
Bravura Cologne Wrote Group/Lead/Prod.
First Union National Bank Wrote Lead/Background
Clairol Summer Blonde Spray & Shampoo Lead/Background
Navy Recruitment (14 Spots) Lead/Announced
Clairol "Born Blonde" Lead
Clairol "Kindness" Group Lead
Tom McCan "We" (2 Spots) Lead
TWA "Up, Up and Away" Group Lead
Pennsylvania Excitement Group Lead
Post Toasties Cereal (3 Spots) Background
Ford "Gives You Better Ideas" Group Lead
Ford "It's The Going Thing" Group Lead
Carrolls Drive-In Restaurants Group Lead
Bright Side Shampoo Group Lead
Johnson and Johnson's Band Aids Lead
American Airlines "You Get The Best Of Everything" Group Lead
Pacific Security Nat'l Bank Of California Background
Cheerios "Breakfast Together" Wrote Background
Helene Curtis "Everynight Shampoo" Lead
Prince Albert Tobacco (2 Spots) Wrote Lead/Background Clio Nominee
Mighty Marker Group Lead/BG
Skippy Peamut Butter Background
Peter Paul Caravelle Wrote Group Lead
Hamm's Beer Wrote Lead/Background
Hebrew National Hot Dogs "What's More Amer." Group Lead/BG
Arrowsmith Shoes (2 Spots) Lead/Background
Beechnut "Yum" Group Lead/BG
- bill 9-02-2009 4:30 pm [add a comment]
this is why i dont get all bent up about defining a hard line between high and low popular culture.
- bill 9-02-2009 4:32 pm [add a comment]
There's still a line? After all the stomping?
- L.M. 9-02-2009 5:07 pm [add a comment]
only when its your favorite song and you dont like the advertisers product.
otherwise its all good.
- bill 9-02-2009 5:38 pm [add a comment]
If someone thinks the synergy between a song and a commercial sucks Bill accuses them of believing in artistic purity and "defining hard lines." I know you're not talking about me here, Bill.
- tom moody 9-02-2009 9:33 pm [add a comment]
do wah diddy, if the shoe fitty...
- bill 9-03-2009 1:44 pm [add a comment]
I think it's time to retire the Greenberg straw man. Although he had many good points.
- tom moody 9-03-2009 3:21 pm [add a comment]
ignoratio elenchi
- bill 9-03-2009 3:58 pm [add a comment]
A complaint about one context (a bad, sentimental commercial) destroying the "aura of a song" isn't the same as saying the song can never be used for any other context. In that post I gave an example where the "aura" translated well from one pop culture venue (Popeye with Robin Williams) to another (a PT Anderson movie starring Adam Sandler). We've discussed this many times and you keep misunderstanding the post as some kind of Greenbergian statement of purity, or high art, or "high pop art," or something.
You asked me in July to name an ad where a pop tune worked. I suggested Juan Atkins' techno anthem "No UFOs" in a Ford commercial. The commercial was undeniably exciting and "worked" even though the original context (Detroit kids making art in the ruins of car culture) was lost.
- tom moody 9-03-2009 5:30 pm [add a comment]
We probably shouldn't even be talking about this since you likely didn't see Popeye or Punch Drunk Love or the Nike commercial in question. You took something I wrote in a moment of honest passion and read your agenda into it.
- tom moody 9-03-2009 5:40 pm [add a comment]
ive seen popeye but not PDL. nike ad?
i dont think ive ever even mentioned greenberg. one can discuss purity with out greenberg but you cant discuss greenberg with out purity.
in order to feel assured that you were arguing your point at that moment in july consistent with your many many rants about how commercials ruin music ( and or that musicians are greedy or selling out if they do license out material for commercial use. i have provided one example by linking to your nilsson post, but there are others. you know better than i where they are in posts and comments on both of our pages.) i asked you for cases where you were in approval. it took a while but you did come up with one example. it (that single example) still sounds more an exception than the rule. i can name thousands of ditties from deodorant jingles to nick drake that i appreciate unironically .
my agenda is only this. clarity. pop culture is what it is popular culture. the song writers at the brill building (as did the tin pan alley writers before them) went to work in the morning and at the end of the day most of them had justified renting their office by creating a commodity that would feed their family, pay for their clothing, provide them with a somewhat reasonable middle class life style and contribute to the american song book in an astonishing way. most of them will comment on the sea change of '65, the british invasion (beatles) and singer songwriters (dylan) effectively ending their prominent standing in musical sales charts. but really nothing had changed, it was still record companies moving units.
you allowed a pop commodity to take on an aura which could be ruined by it behaving just as a pop commodity (dogs bark - ducks quack), refolding into popular culture as advertising instead of radio play or a disc on your shelf. i dont think you can blame anyone but your self for over investing in an aura bubble. i see you going there time after time, this is not an isolated occurrence. im not making this up. i dont know what to call it. ive tried purist (which isnt inherently a bad value ) but you had a bad reaction to that and called it a greenberghian straw man argument and my agenda. you tell me what it is. because now im starting to think it is idealistic in nature.
- bill 9-03-2009 8:25 pm [add a comment]
again with the straw man. heres what tom has to say.
and heres what the wiki says about popeye and harry. a glance at nilssons biography shows him to be a successful and talented professional songsmith. quack-quack, quack.
- bill 9-04-2009 3:01 pm [add a comment]
heres another obit on huffpo
- bill 9-02-2009 4:40 pm [add a comment]