Rich, sorry to you and the other cool people on the list things didn't work out. Thanks, Bill, for re-posting that parting shot from the list about "American traits"--it gave me a good laugh this morning. I got a note from Melinda, one the moderators, and the apology was appreciated, but I wish she could have avoided the self-backpatting and "blaming the victim" language:
Chris tom jimpunk and Abe thank you for being guests this month, and i regret that your experience has been unpleasant.

empyre is known as a very articulate discussion environment where the invited guests talk about their work and the issues involved in depth . .. sometimes it gets heated when people express different opinions... but in the name of good dialogue that is often intensely interesting..

i think perhaps there has been a some misunderstandings this month on several fronts..i know myself i posted what i thought were very unremarkable comments which seemed to upset you quiet a bit, so my apologies if you took this as an attack.. it was mean as a comment to start conversations around blogging. [still thinks her phrase "constant referral to self" has no pejorative meaning]

the comments and questions at empyre are often the same sorts of ones you would encounter at conferences .. and often the people who ask questions are the ones who don't necessarily agree with your position. this is common and to be expected in most art/academic dialogues. ["art/academic"? which is it? and how patronizing is this?]

If you as guests were having difficulties with the direction of the conversations, etc the protocol would have been to post privately to the facilitators, rather than publicly to the list itself, to deal with any issues. again my apologies if this was not clear to you when you agreed to be guests.[Now she tells us!]

Once again thank you for your generosity in being guests, and we wish you well in your admirable practices..

- tom moody 6-16-2005 6:17 pm





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