I put the possibility of scroll bars back on the left hand side of these pages. Ideally I'd like to have them not appear, but now there are some screens that have too much info, so in some cases they are needed. If I open my screen to the maximum I can (on this 15 inch monitor at 832x624 in Navigator) then I don't get them. How about in IE? On a laptop?
I see them flash by when I arrive at the page, the verical one disappears, while a nonfunctional one stays at the bottom, but disappears if I refresh. I'll let you know about work; that's where I need them.
Scroll works correctly (vertical only) on the windows system at work. I didn't see the last two DF posts until today; were they stuck in blogger?
i dont know what you are talking about as far as the scroll bars are concerned. do you mean on the posting page or the viewing page? as for df posts unseen, they were blogged but unpublished.
I mean in the bottom left hand frame (the one that opens with the tree and the most recently updated list.) This frame (AFAIK) could not have scroll bars before. Now it can have them, but unless there is so much text in that frame that the text runs off the bottom of the screen they should not appear (for example, I have so many test projects going - ones that only I can see - that when I click on [ read ] it totally fills up the left hand frame, and I need scroll bars to go down.) Unfortunately this makes it kind of ugly (or uglier) so I'm hoping they don't show up when they are not needed. I'm guessing they didn't suddenly appear for you, but let me know. For me, I get what alex does (same browser) - they appear for a second when loading, then the verticle disappears and the horizontal stays greyed out at the bottom until I reload, then all traces are gone (unless they are needed.)
ahhh, i dont see the scroll bar when the page loads but when i fiddle with the frames, accessible at the juncture of the two gold sections at the top, i can move the frame and see the horizontal scroll bar at the bottom left. i guess id need more info for a vertical one to appear. also, should i be able to access that systems page because i am unable to now.
also, as much as i like comments within comments, then the notification features for new comments have to be considered. or not. you wouldnt know that i responded to your comment without entering the discussion to look. there has to be a way to notify on the main page that new comments are nested within. or at least have the new comments tied into the comment counter so there would be some indication of new posts within.
yes, of course, you are right. I was considering this also. It actually turns out to be a pretty tricky problem. I'm not sure how I'm going to tackle it - hopefully inspiration will hit. Ideally, I'd like to build a general purpose tool that can tell each person what is new since they last looked. Sort of hard though because you'd have to keep track of everything everyone looks at (or at least the last time everyone looked at everything.) Short of that there are other, maybe better, tacts - like maybe displaying an outline form of all the levels at once. That's difficult for me to build also though... I don't know. This is what I've been waking up thinking about in the middle of the night. I guess really it makes more sense for conversations to just go linearly like this thread, and not down down down through layers. Anyway, I like that you see the hardest problem right away.
Well, it's not pretty, but the comment counter is now counting down through 3 layers (or 4 depending if you count the original layer.) This is not elegant programming, and probably if I knew mysql better there would be an easier way to do it. Still, I think it's working. I could add more layers, but not elegantly - so the more layers it looks the more loops it has to run through. This is O.K. here since only a few people are using the system, but I doubt my programming would scale up very well (I'm sure the slashdot engine is much tighter.) So this is better, but still what I want is for the system to tell me when people have responded to things I've posted. That's a little more involved. Going to dinner. Talk to you tomorrow.
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- jim 1-31-2000 11:25 pm
I see them flash by when I arrive at the page, the verical one disappears, while a nonfunctional one stays at the bottom, but disappears if I refresh. I'll let you know about work; that's where I need them.
- alex 2-01-2000 12:21 am [add a comment]
Scroll works correctly (vertical only) on the windows system at work. I didn't see the last two DF posts until today; were they stuck in blogger?
- alex 2-01-2000 12:09 pm [add a comment]
i dont know what you are talking about as far as the scroll bars are concerned. do you mean on the posting page or the viewing page? as for df posts unseen, they were blogged but unpublished.
- dave 2-01-2000 1:21 pm [add a comment]
I mean in the bottom left hand frame (the one that opens with the tree and the most recently updated list.) This frame (AFAIK) could not have scroll bars before. Now it can have them, but unless there is so much text in that frame that the text runs off the bottom of the screen they should not appear (for example, I have so many test projects going - ones that only I can see - that when I click on [ read ] it totally fills up the left hand frame, and I need scroll bars to go down.) Unfortunately this makes it kind of ugly (or uglier) so I'm hoping they don't show up when they are not needed. I'm guessing they didn't suddenly appear for you, but let me know. For me, I get what alex does (same browser) - they appear for a second when loading, then the verticle disappears and the horizontal stays greyed out at the bottom until I reload, then all traces are gone (unless they are needed.)
- jim 2-01-2000 2:26 pm [add a comment]
ahhh, i dont see the scroll bar when the page loads but when i fiddle with the frames, accessible at the juncture of the two gold sections at the top, i can move the frame and see the horizontal scroll bar at the bottom left. i guess id need more info for a vertical one to appear. also, should i be able to access that systems page because i am unable to now.
- dave 2-01-2000 9:01 pm [add a comment]
also, as much as i like comments within comments, then the notification features for new comments have to be considered. or not. you wouldnt know that i responded to your comment without entering the discussion to look. there has to be a way to notify on the main page that new comments are nested within. or at least have the new comments tied into the comment counter so there would be some indication of new posts within.
- dave 2-01-2000 9:08 pm [add a comment]
yes, of course, you are right. I was considering this also. It actually turns out to be a pretty tricky problem. I'm not sure how I'm going to tackle it - hopefully inspiration will hit. Ideally, I'd like to build a general purpose tool that can tell each person what is new since they last looked. Sort of hard though because you'd have to keep track of everything everyone looks at (or at least the last time everyone looked at everything.) Short of that there are other, maybe better, tacts - like maybe displaying an outline form of all the levels at once. That's difficult for me to build also though... I don't know. This is what I've been waking up thinking about in the middle of the night. I guess really it makes more sense for conversations to just go linearly like this thread, and not down down down through layers. Anyway, I like that you see the hardest problem right away.
- jim 2-01-2000 11:38 pm [add a comment]
Well, it's not pretty, but the comment counter is now counting down through 3 layers (or 4 depending if you count the original layer.) This is not elegant programming, and probably if I knew mysql better there would be an easier way to do it. Still, I think it's working. I could add more layers, but not elegantly - so the more layers it looks the more loops it has to run through. This is O.K. here since only a few people are using the system, but I doubt my programming would scale up very well (I'm sure the slashdot engine is much tighter.) So this is better, but still what I want is for the system to tell me when people have responded to things I've posted. That's a little more involved. Going to dinner. Talk to you tomorrow.
- jim 2-02-2000 1:39 am [add a comment]