I agree with the people powered device advantage. Why do parents buy their children those little electric cars when they should be developing strenth from peddeling. skateboards, bikes, rollerblades, razor scooters, rollerskates spring loaded jogging shoes (ok not them), hang gliders, cross-country ski's, speed walking, jogging, snowboarding etc are the answer not pricy top heavy jimcracks. I'm picturing the ginger jam in front of balducci's, hit and run shoppers on madison ave. and A holes in airports. This is not a peoples device.
Not all people can or want to ride a bicycle, they require a fair amount of work. Sure, they may be GOOD for you but there is a real appeal to having a machine do the work instead. That's one of the reasons people like cars and motorcycles. A traffic jam in front of Balducci's? Those take place at least twice a day already. And these things take up far less room than a car does. How many commutors drive by themselves into the city on nice days wrapped in their two-ton, gas guzzeling, polluting, dangerous vehicles?
OK, so it isn't too cool, it looks like a push lawn mower, so it ain't a flying machine, but if people could give up their love affair's with the automobile I think this thing could really help to cut down on the world's consumption of gasoline. Bill, I understand why a bicycle and scateboard enthusiast such as yourself wouldn't be interested, but not all people are as fitness oriented as you......
I was just riffing and I liked skateboards for transportation as much as recreation (fitness !?), but I dont know who would use this item. As an automobile replacement, the first level to aproach would be the suburban "station car" (typically a compact). Thats the car that gets dad from his house to the rr station to get to work in town. Does it compete with peds on the sidewalk or compete with the cars, trucks and busses in the street at 17 mph. More likely it will be a bridge between your Chevy Surburban and say, the entrance to the mall and back. What about urban use ? Street or sidewalk ? Ok, maybe bike lanes. Do you see bike messengers using it instead of 10 speeds, mountain bikes or mopeds with a full bag of mail. I saw a brief vid clip on cbs news last night (no safty helmet?). They really do zip though. Shriners could turn in the go-carts and use these things for fig. 8's in parades. Better get a crash fez!
I believe that there are many cases where the sedan is used to haul nothing more than one ass and a wallet from the outskirts of town to the center. Why not build a "ginger lane"? No, I don't think a mountain biker would turn in his bicycle for such a device. And bike messengers will no doubt scoff. I probably wouldn't use one in this city either, I almost always choose to walk. I doubt if this thing would get anyone to sell their car, but that's not the intent of the Ginger folks. It would be used in place of the car for those stupid errands in a city like Los Angeles. Where the distances to the post office or deli are a half an hour by foot and the side walks are empty. In a city like Portland or Seattle there are such steep hills that riding a bicycle is serious work, more than most people are capable of. They don't ride their bicycles now, they drive.
I finally waded through much of the underwhelmed response posted in the above /. link. From what I can tell this is perhaps not for most Americans out side of Mailmen, Warehouse Workers and Robot Warriors. I think the upright posture and max speed limits the length of the commute and the window of age for those capable and responsible enough to actually run IT safely. Pluss its hot in the summer, cold in the winter and useless in foul weather of all sorts. However there is much hope that it appears in next seasons JackAss shows (if there are any).
One of the links Dave posted claimed that IT works over ice. Glazing is a big problem in the Northwest. My own experiences with "ice storms" are that nothing but golf shoes work on a heavily iced over street, not studded tires, chains boots etc. I've seen countless cars and jeeps slipping sideways down a steep hill coming to rest against a guard rail or Douglas Fir. Maybe Ginger could be the safest mode of transport in such conditions.
Whatever, I'm hopeful that this device could be a practical mode of transport. But it'll probably not happen here, we're too steeped in the culture of the automobile. In a city like Paris or Taiwan where a significant chunk of the population use scooters IT might really make a difference.
My thoughts for an improved American transport system run more toward a lightrail system of hub and spokes connecting to fast trains. Think of the enhanced comfort level over the full exposure to elements of IT. I'm tired of the problematics of air travel and think interlinked fast rail service is the answer (including freight / those semi trucks are murder). The IT could get you to your local lightrail station and then train it from there / but I dont think anyone feels the need for one to get them to/from the subway and most burb folks take a local bus to the train station (that could be improved). A seperate ginger road lane would require it's own Robert Moses to commandeer space in high density areas for a few capable users going, what is it, 12 to 17 mph ?.
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- bill 12-04-2001 2:13 am
Not all people can or want to ride a bicycle, they require a fair amount of work. Sure, they may be GOOD for you but there is a real appeal to having a machine do the work instead. That's one of the reasons people like cars and motorcycles. A traffic jam in front of Balducci's? Those take place at least twice a day already. And these things take up far less room than a car does. How many commutors drive by themselves into the city on nice days wrapped in their two-ton, gas guzzeling, polluting, dangerous vehicles?
OK, so it isn't too cool, it looks like a push lawn mower, so it ain't a flying machine, but if people could give up their love affair's with the automobile I think this thing could really help to cut down on the world's consumption of gasoline. Bill, I understand why a bicycle and scateboard enthusiast such as yourself wouldn't be interested, but not all people are as fitness oriented as you......
- steve 12-04-2001 4:46 am [add a comment]
I was just riffing and I liked skateboards for transportation as much as recreation (fitness !?), but I dont know who would use this item. As an automobile replacement, the first level to aproach would be the suburban "station car" (typically a compact). Thats the car that gets dad from his house to the rr station to get to work in town. Does it compete with peds on the sidewalk or compete with the cars, trucks and busses in the street at 17 mph. More likely it will be a bridge between your Chevy Surburban and say, the entrance to the mall and back. What about urban use ? Street or sidewalk ? Ok, maybe bike lanes. Do you see bike messengers using it instead of 10 speeds, mountain bikes or mopeds with a full bag of mail. I saw a brief vid clip on cbs news last night (no safty helmet?). They really do zip though. Shriners could turn in the go-carts and use these things for fig. 8's in parades. Better get a crash fez!
- bill 12-04-2001 3:09 pm [add a comment]
I believe that there are many cases where the sedan is used to haul nothing more than one ass and a wallet from the outskirts of town to the center. Why not build a "ginger lane"? No, I don't think a mountain biker would turn in his bicycle for such a device. And bike messengers will no doubt scoff. I probably wouldn't use one in this city either, I almost always choose to walk. I doubt if this thing would get anyone to sell their car, but that's not the intent of the Ginger folks. It would be used in place of the car for those stupid errands in a city like Los Angeles. Where the distances to the post office or deli are a half an hour by foot and the side walks are empty. In a city like Portland or Seattle there are such steep hills that riding a bicycle is serious work, more than most people are capable of. They don't ride their bicycles now, they drive.
- steve 12-04-2001 5:59 pm [add a comment]
I finally waded through much of the underwhelmed response posted in the above /. link. From what I can tell this is perhaps not for most Americans out side of Mailmen, Warehouse Workers and Robot Warriors. I think the upright posture and max speed limits the length of the commute and the window of age for those capable and responsible enough to actually run IT safely. Pluss its hot in the summer, cold in the winter and useless in foul weather of all sorts. However there is much hope that it appears in next seasons JackAss shows (if there are any).
- bill 12-04-2001 8:01 pm [add a comment]
One of the links Dave posted claimed that IT works over ice. Glazing is a big problem in the Northwest. My own experiences with "ice storms" are that nothing but golf shoes work on a heavily iced over street, not studded tires, chains boots etc. I've seen countless cars and jeeps slipping sideways down a steep hill coming to rest against a guard rail or Douglas Fir. Maybe Ginger could be the safest mode of transport in such conditions.
Whatever, I'm hopeful that this device could be a practical mode of transport. But it'll probably not happen here, we're too steeped in the culture of the automobile. In a city like Paris or Taiwan where a significant chunk of the population use scooters IT might really make a difference.
- steve 12-04-2001 8:18 pm [add a comment]
My thoughts for an improved American transport system run more toward a lightrail system of hub and spokes connecting to fast trains. Think of the enhanced comfort level over the full exposure to elements of IT. I'm tired of the problematics of air travel and think interlinked fast rail service is the answer (including freight / those semi trucks are murder). The IT could get you to your local lightrail station and then train it from there / but I dont think anyone feels the need for one to get them to/from the subway and most burb folks take a local bus to the train station (that could be improved). A seperate ginger road lane would require it's own Robert Moses to commandeer space in high density areas for a few capable users going, what is it, 12 to 17 mph ?.
- bill 12-04-2001 9:19 pm [add a comment]
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