(found and fucked with, in reference to the post below)
Since it kills Sally to link to the pissy rhizome threads, here's a link to Artfagcity who gives a comparative overview of the recent Net Aesthetics 2.0 panel discussion at the New Museum.
Sorry about the pissy Rhizome threads.
Did anyone question why it had to be a panel discussion at a specific venue?
If you mean during the panel itself, no.
I don't go to Rhizome very often. Whenever I do, the navel gazing is enough to keep me away for the next few years. It's sad that net art seems to draw such petty advocates.
"What I love about discussion on Rhizome -- or at least the direction that I perceive that it's going -- is that it's one of the few critical spaces where people recognize technologies as (en|dis)abling certain strategies for the artist, and not as the strategies or value-expressions themselves (like some museum critics are wont to do (e.g., "[X] uses social web technologies and therefore embodies postmodern values," etc.))."It's a very nicely put distinction, and I think if the discussions really were more like he suggests they could be great. And the Rhizome folks are right that most curators really don't get it. But one thing I will say for the non-net art world is that we've long ago moved well past the deadening question "but is it art?" And I don't think you'd find many non-net artists with the gall to bemoan the fact that newer generations are adopting media as their own and and moving things in new directions.
My take on these recent Rhizome discussions ó and for anyone who really wants to subject themselves here are some links 1, 2, 3 (sigh) ó is that they are an emotional forum for people who came to net art in the early days, like a lot of internet nerds, because it was a new forum with technologically proscribed parameters for discourse that provided an opportunity for power and control not available in the big wide world of regular society. Now that much more of the big wide world is online (though of course, it's still not everyone and that's still important to remember) the guys who thought they were running the show realize that its way way out of their control. So they use the Rhizome threads to try and emotionally process what happened. Which may mean Rhizome is providing an essential service but it doesn't really say much about art.
I could look at this sweet gif all day.
The kitties meme takes on a distinct meaning for Canadians since it manifests our sociopathic tendencies.
"Some 20th Century writers complained that reality (in a hypercharged mediated environment) was outstripping their ability to spin fiction.
Thanks for your take on this, Sally and L.M.
Rhizome has asked me (and other panelists) to write a follow-up mini-essay to the event.
I'm currently at a loss for what to say after what happened on those three threads.
Still mulling this over.
OMG, I want to go home and see my cat. Right now!!
It's all part of the cat master plan, Nanmac. First they take over the internet with their own set of viral kitty memes. Next, you go home from work in the middle of the day to pet and feed them.
kitties may deserve this exaulted position, its much harder to get dogs to do half this stuff. They just stare at the camera loving you. Loving you more than anything on earth. Lovin you so much that their hearts will burst. (personally, I find it endlessly fascinating, but I doubt that our blog audience would)
L.M. you're being too modest. Remember this? That was damned entertaining. Now you just gotta figure out a way to capture Bat Boy's love on camera so it looks like he's an insane raving predator.
It took two weeks to get 30 seconds of usable footage of Rocco. You stick a camera between yourself and a dog and all is lost.
(Cats will always be indifferent to everything you do except opening cans and doors.)
One thing I found funny about the rhizome threads was the discussion/complaints-about-discussions of surf clubs. I've mentioned before that I love them, but I might not next year. As it stands, I love listening in on conversations, that's what blog threads allow us to do, so a dynamic form like a front page collaboration by many artists is a hoot to watch.
L.M. and I were talking about this the other day, and I was saying how the activity of surfing media way predates the internet. When I was a teenager my friends and I communicated in a kind of media-sample lingo all our own. We memorized lines from Monty Python and Star Trek and interviews with our favourite rock stars and anything else that hit our radar and spent all our communication energy remixing and mashing those quotes in a running stream of self-reference that would make little sense to anyone who hadn't been following it all along. It was a way of parsing the culture, finding our own entry points, and most of all learning about the world we were entering into.
Yeah, like my brother and I used to quote the Lester Bangs/Lou Reed interview "Let us Now Praise Famous Death Dwarves" in conversation.
Except that the surf clubs that are referred to in the Marcin Ramocki notes
are inhabited by very canny & sophisticated artists. (which is why I like them)
Yes that's a good distinction. Like Paddy Johnson says about Petra Cortright's webcam video, "Iíve been struggling to articulate why the aesthetics of this piece of go beyond taking a few clip images from the web and slapping them on a video." I agree about that video. It's brilliant, and I can't say why. A cultural moment sweetly atriculated.
I remember first seeing that sweet piece on Tom Moody's site. That's when I became interested in her work.
(The pleasure of not being a writer is that I'll never have to struggle to articulate anything. I just bang shit out of my keboard whenever I feel like it.)
Paddy in her blog post ribbed Petra a bit for not showing that vid in front of an auditorium full of people (Petra showed stills), saying the web gave her a "feeling of safety."
I'd have a problem showing a projected video of my face in an auditorium. Especially with all that earnest focus that she has. (not all artists want to perform and that's a situation where it would feel like performance)
Yes. Also the moderator had told us beforehand not to play long media pieces or to make it too much "show and tell" of our work. He wanted discussion, not monologues or performances.
That YouTube is not "long," but screen time is very different depending on the size of the venue and what people are expecting.
I remember Carolee Schneeman giving a talk a while ago at presenting a video that had been put through a number of filters and pictured her giving head for a really long time. She'd shown it a lot and also found it difficult to watch while talking to a crowd, so she left the room and came back after a clip was done. I suppose that would have been impossible for Petra to do during a panel discussion, and I don't know how it would scale up either, though that's a pretty short piece, and it seems like it *should* do fine.
I get Cortright's comment about the web giving her a "feeling of safety" in respect to that video. On youtube it is in company with web cam girls doing all kinds of things as well as a myriad of silly animations. In an art space it would be seen as making comment on the web context, rather than being a part of it, and questions would come into play about the artist's attitude to web cam performance that would skew the frank, sensual aspect of the piece into something detached and conceptualized.
Just so we don't start a rumor--Paddy said it gave Petra a feeling of safety. I don't know Petra's feelings about it.
I think we should keep this spam as a public service.
OK converted to kitteh:
i performed stripteaze showz in my webcam room durin all nite long. my memba asked me 2 do different thing wit my body... n i always did whateva they wantd. ...
Here's a sally comment converted to kitteh:
hah! thanks. I can haz surfclub.
The epistemological question raised by the GIF (at least for me) is:
I had a cat that used to do this. She would pat at the running water with paws and then if her head got wet she would pretend not to notice because if she did she'd have to stop playing because everyone knows cats don't like to get their heads wet.
"The technological base of (the content of) the network determines the cultural superstructure of (the content of) net art."