besmirching the vessel


- bill 4-21-2004 6:38 pm

Off topic, but another vessel to gander.
- selma 4-21-2004 6:47 pm [add a comment]


  • Born into the air travel world, I’ve never really felt the romance of the great ocean liners (or trains, for that matter) but whenever I get near one I’m intrigued by the way they straddle the boundary between being a thing and being a place. (No, this is not a continuation of the Serra thread...)
    - alex 4-22-2004 9:02 pm [add a comment]


  • But could the Thing pick up the QM2 and throw it?
    - tom moody 4-22-2004 9:13 pm [add a comment]


  • These big ships scare me. It is amazing to me that they can float (and the germ/sickness thing just makes them straight creepy).
    But I do like to look at them. Some of them look like floating motels. I find is strange that people would like to vacation in such a confined environment. I'm intrigued that they are large moving living places. It is the "living" and the "big" that distinguish it from plane, train or car. When I go somewhere I like to feel like I am going.
    - selma 4-22-2004 9:25 pm [add a comment]


    • I was thinking the same thing, looking at the pictures: the low ratio of deck space to glassed-in box. It would be like sailing the world in an office building. (I moved this to the end and moved it back so it doesn't look like you're replying to your own comment. The problem with these nested comments is you think you're replying at the end of the thread but you're not.)
      - tom moody 4-22-2004 9:50 pm [add a comment]


  • ...with a completely programmed schedule. Time to eat, time to sleep, this is where you can see the sky, this is where you can walk, this is where you have to shuffleboard...
    - selma 4-22-2004 9:34 pm [add a comment]


  • I have two friends (a couple, both writers) that take destinationless train trips ala amtrak maybe twice a year. When they are feeling they have hit some block - or their day to day lives aren't allowing them time to concentrate - they book a train and take off for a couple of days. They find the environment of the train allows them to write pretty much non-stop.
    - selma 4-22-2004 10:05 pm [add a comment]


  • its dysneyesque, you never have to leave america (1st world) while visiting the (3rd) world.
    - bill 4-23-2004 1:28 am [add a comment]


  • you can just stand and the railing and wave.
    - selma 4-23-2004 1:29 am [add a comment]



i cant find the source of jim louis's vestil besmirchment. it was here someplace.


- bill 4-21-2004 10:27 pm [add a comment]


It was this thread.
- tom moody 4-21-2004 10:33 pm [add a comment]


thats the one, thanks tom
- bill 4-21-2004 11:08 pm [add a comment]


I'm the vessel smircher and I'm sticking to it. Actually, I was engaged in empty vessel besmirching, but whatever, it's implied.
- sally mckay 4-22-2004 9:29 am [add a comment]


Referring to Selma's upstream comment about the QM2: I was thinking the same thing, looking at the pictures: the low ratio of deck space to glassed-in box. It would be like sailing the world in an office building.
- tom moody 4-22-2004 9:31 pm [add a comment]


I took my first steps and learned how to walk on an ocean liner. Still don't feel that stable on my feet, and often have the sensation that the ground is shifting around beneath me. I have been curious in the past few years to cross the Atlantic in a boat again. There is an installation on here right now by Yvette Pooter about just such an experience. Have yet to see it, but will report back.
- sally mckay 4-22-2004 9:43 pm [add a comment]


  • well, you are speaking first hand then (or first foot) which is a lot more than I can say. I have never been on an ocean liner. when I was little my father took me to Nova Scotia on a boat (big but not ocean liner material) and we slept one night on it. (I got seasick, it wasnt pretty and for some reason I don't remember the return trip). Taking one's first steps on a boat would seem to me to lead to a much more stable person - you've got to have solid foundation not to tip over.
    - selma 4-22-2004 10:58 pm [add a comment]


  • Our trip was from Canada to Wales, where we lived for the next 3 years. Two years ago I went back to Wales to visit our old neighbourhood, and have a nice seaside vacation (if's f**king gorgeous, love that North Atlantic rocky, dramatic shore). When I walked onto the block where we used to live in Swansea, I became completely unbalanced and had to sit down. I told my father about it later and he said that's how we all felt when we first set foot there, cause of not having our land legs yet. Apparently I would put one foot out to the side, waiting for the ground to rise up underneath (which it did, back on the boat).
    - sally mckay 4-23-2004 12:26 am [add a comment]


  • they said it was a rough voyge coming over and that many guests stayed in their cabin the whole time.
    - bill 4-23-2004 1:22 am [add a comment]






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