hadid joins the world of the international architectural establishment yet ignored by fellow brittish
all zaha all the time
yea or neigh
i have to say "i dont know" or "me unworthy" or sumthin'.
The way the question's worded and the way the article's written makes me think they want a "no" vote. So I voted "yes."
yes yes yes. but you can only vote once...
so the point is its good for architecture, selma? im just coming (trying to anyway) up to speed here with my "fake architecture blog". you seem to be very well clued in. are you in the field or a related field ?
I guess I am just a grazer. and I certainly am enjoying your blog. (what is 'fake' about it?).
But I have been following Zaha Hadid’s career and I think her language is completely unique and inspiring (to some). She gets a bad rap largely because she has a temper and is a woman. Would there even be a poll like this if we were talking about Frank Gehry or Rem Koolhaas (actually I wonder if there was when they won)? The architectural profession is pretty male dominated - if I can generalize - it seems that crowd specifically is driven in critique by jealousy. I feel a bit like we are watching the Martha trial of architecture.
fake because I'm on the outside looking in on architecture. no degree or scholarly pedigree of any kind. [more a disclaimer than an excuse, i hope] the Schwarz page is an out-shoot of being able to research areas of curiosity on the internet. it started out (and largely remains) a series of bookmarks of recent discoveries and old favorites.
yes indeed, re the martha factor. what hadid readings do you recommend?
really glad you like the page and the tree in general - check the archives if you like. you will find our norman foster parabuilding argument. it was a high water mark imho. that and the will alsop ocad building post. and for that matter, tom's yba "is it art?" post was a whole lot of fun. i cant find it at the moment, maybe he could make a link if he has his ears on.
Thank you for the links.
I'd love to see the young british artist conversation too.
I'll dig up some reading links on Zaha Hadid, but in the meantime:
Monday, March 29
Columbia University
Signature Buildings
With Aaron Betsky, Director, Netherlands Architecture Institute;
Zaha Hadid, Principal, Zaha Hadid Architects;
and Daniel Libeskind, Principal, Studio Daniel Libeskind
Moderated by Joseph Giovannini, architect and architecture critic, New York Magazine
Three institutions:
Netherlands Architecture Institute (take a look at "the Big Fix-Up” exhibition now on)
The Canadian Centre for Architecture (founded by Phyllis Lambert, daughter to Seagram and responsible for talking her father into commissioning Mies van der Rohe to design the Seagrams building on Park Avenue. She also curated the Whitney side of the Mies Whitney MoMA exhibitions a few years back).
MAK Vienna
(Just so this appears to be a bit relevant to our last comments - which it is not really - they did a retrospective of Zaha Hadid’s work sometime last year with a terrific publication).
heres that link for tom's YBA/Ron Mueck post.
That's one link. It went on and on. Here's the sequence: 1 / 2 (the one Bill just posted) / 3
Phew. Respect. You all dug deep.
I will refrain from further comment for fear of opening that can, not that I have anything worthy of adding. Thank you for sharing.
ah, sigh. I have nostalgia for that thread.
Re: Hadid. Those online polls are easy to skew. Once notice of the poll makes the rounds of some paleoconservative chatboard it'll be Backlash City for her. That was the point of the poll, I think. PS: Flat comments, Bill (as opposed to threaded or nested in [editpage]). They're the ticket. They urge people to be polite and address what came before, rather than forming cliques within nests. I just pulled this one out the queue and moved it to the end.
I know, I was just hoping it could be avoided. Tuesday only two people had voted. Today when archnewsnow posted it it got over 100 hits. I am surprised by archnewsnow's seemingly conservative readership then... Of course if I felt strongly enough I would be emailing everyone telling them to vote, so I am being a bit of a hypocrite here. Or rather, trying not to skew the polls.
thanks for reminding me Tom. back when I had that huge glut of art criticism posts over on my page I thought threaded comments would help organise but instead they created chaos and bad vibes. I forgot to change it back and am doing so right now.
Threaded comments are theoretically better; we just don't have the self-discipline and multiple attention spans to make proper use...
Threaded comments are theoretically better; we just don't have the self-discipline and multiple attention spans to make proper use...
Because it had the effect of blowing one of my own jokes, to be perfectly honest.
Opps, was that me? Am I commenting incorrectly?
No, it was me. I put the poll rant in ahead of my comment about why I voted yes.
o flat comments entered on settings midstream on this thread. lets see what happens
I don't think this page switched. If the pageowner chooses "flat comments" in [editpage] people don't have the option to add comments to upstream comments, only the last one. This and other /schwarz comment pages still appear to be "threaded" or "nested."
looks like a horse race. she's ahead by a nose. more via slate
I dont know why it is bothering me so much.. I am now deciding -as only 166 people have voted-not to let it bother me.
I don't think I have to provide that reading list on Zaha - the Slate piece is enough. Good piece (and funny too) and a complete list of her projects (including the set design for the Pet Shop Boys concert which I will admit to going to and laughingly say "it was a really really good show.")
here is the link to kultureflash's zaha issue. Some good links from there. Note her paintings if you're interested, they seem to get a lot of attention.
DON’T VOTE FOR ZAHA
According to the firm in question, Morphosis, the web design for the voting is totally confusing and half of their own staff voted for Zaha. it was an internal email only.
What do you think??
I don't know about the architecture, but I think they should go with the Gothamist's reworking of the NYC Olympic bid logo.
More seriously, I can't believe that firm would send an email to their employees telling them to vote. I know if I was building a voting application I would definitely track IP addresses of voters. And since their office is undoubtedly NAT'd, all of their votes would appear to come from the same address. And it wouldn't be terribly hard to match that address back to the company. Seems like a lot to risk.
Much smaller stakes, obviously, but If I'm remembering correctly, a NYC restaurant was busted for trying to stuff a Time Out New York poll with a simple script somebody wrote to vote over and over for themselves. I just mention that as an example of something that matters very little where IP addresses were being checked. You'd think in this case they would too...
i dont think you should take an informal online poll too seriously. i steered away from an olympic village post when the sunday nyt ran a big article on it in difference to mr wilson since he belives that the development would have an adverse effect on his rent. i did like the mvrdv proposal though.
That was my favorite, too, even though I hate big high rise developments. Also, why are they calling Long Island City Queensboro? Is that the new realtorspeak?
I've also heard it called "Queens West." oh-o, sounds schmancy.
'Architect Gets Her Due in Recognition at Home'
Zaha's first UK commission. This, I believe, is happy news.
your loyalty to ZH is fascinating. thanks for your persistence. i see now the designs are of the highest order.
sorry bill, didn't know where to put this. a good read(?) poor zaha.
well some good photos of her latest project anyway.
http://www.hughpearman.com/articles5/zaha.html
thanks selma, good read indeed. you know... uhhhhhhhh ...shes something else.
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- bill 3-24-2004 1:14 pm
all zaha all the time
- bill 3-24-2004 6:53 pm [add a comment]
I said the exact same thing to myself this morning I swear “All Zaha all the time.”
Joseph Giovannini (Arch critic New York Mag) once referred to the phenomenon as "Zahapaloosa.”
I just like to say Zaha- Ha Ha.
- selma 3-24-2004 9:05 pm [add a comment]
yea or neigh
i have to say "i dont know" or "me unworthy" or sumthin'.
- bill 3-25-2004 7:08 pm [add a comment]
55 "yes" to 57 "no". oh no...
- selma 3-26-2004 12:36 am [add a comment]
The way the question's worded and the way the article's written makes me think they want a "no" vote. So I voted "yes."
- tom moody 3-25-2004 7:17 pm [add a comment]
yes yes yes. but you can only vote once...
- selma 3-25-2004 7:22 pm [add a comment]
so the point is its good for architecture, selma? im just coming (trying to anyway) up to speed here with my "fake architecture blog". you seem to be very well clued in. are you in the field or a related field ?
- bill 3-25-2004 7:34 pm [add a comment]
I guess I am just a grazer. and I certainly am enjoying your blog. (what is 'fake' about it?).
But I have been following Zaha Hadid’s career and I think her language is completely unique and inspiring (to some). She gets a bad rap largely because she has a temper and is a woman. Would there even be a poll like this if we were talking about Frank Gehry or Rem Koolhaas (actually I wonder if there was when they won)? The architectural profession is pretty male dominated - if I can generalize - it seems that crowd specifically is driven in critique by jealousy. I feel a bit like we are watching the Martha trial of architecture.
- selma 3-25-2004 8:01 pm [add a comment]
voting is at 33 "yes" to 28 "no." See, I really have no idea what I am talking about...
- selma 3-25-2004 8:14 pm [add a comment]
fake because I'm on the outside looking in on architecture. no degree or scholarly pedigree of any kind. [more a disclaimer than an excuse, i hope] the Schwarz page is an out-shoot of being able to research areas of curiosity on the internet. it started out (and largely remains) a series of bookmarks of recent discoveries and old favorites.
yes indeed, re the martha factor. what hadid readings do you recommend?
really glad you like the page and the tree in general - check the archives if you like. you will find our norman foster parabuilding argument. it was a high water mark imho. that and the will alsop ocad building post. and for that matter, tom's yba "is it art?" post was a whole lot of fun. i cant find it at the moment, maybe he could make a link if he has his ears on.
- bill 3-25-2004 8:36 pm [add a comment]
Thank you for the links.
I'd love to see the young british artist conversation too.
I'll dig up some reading links on Zaha Hadid, but in the meantime:
Monday, March 29
Columbia University
Signature Buildings
With Aaron Betsky, Director, Netherlands Architecture Institute;
Zaha Hadid, Principal, Zaha Hadid Architects;
and Daniel Libeskind, Principal, Studio Daniel Libeskind
Moderated by Joseph Giovannini, architect and architecture critic, New York Magazine
- selma 3-25-2004 11:27 pm [add a comment]
Three institutions:
Netherlands Architecture Institute (take a look at "the Big Fix-Up” exhibition now on)
The Canadian Centre for Architecture (founded by Phyllis Lambert, daughter to Seagram and responsible for talking her father into commissioning Mies van der Rohe to design the Seagrams building on Park Avenue. She also curated the Whitney side of the Mies Whitney MoMA exhibitions a few years back).
MAK Vienna
(Just so this appears to be a bit relevant to our last comments - which it is not really - they did a retrospective of Zaha Hadid’s work sometime last year with a terrific publication).
- selma 3-26-2004 12:20 am [add a comment]
heres that link for tom's YBA/Ron Mueck post.
- bill 3-25-2004 11:47 pm [add a comment]
That's one link. It went on and on. Here's the sequence: 1 / 2 (the one Bill just posted) / 3
- tom moody 3-26-2004 12:08 am [add a comment]
Phew. Respect. You all dug deep.
I will refrain from further comment for fear of opening that can, not that I have anything worthy of adding. Thank you for sharing.
- selma 3-26-2004 12:33 am [add a comment]
ah, sigh. I have nostalgia for that thread.
- sally mckay 3-26-2004 1:08 am [add a comment]
Re: Hadid. Those online polls are easy to skew. Once notice of the poll makes the rounds of some paleoconservative chatboard it'll be Backlash City for her. That was the point of the poll, I think.
PS: Flat comments, Bill (as opposed to threaded or nested in [editpage]). They're the ticket. They urge people to be polite and address what came before, rather than forming cliques within nests. I just pulled this one out the queue and moved it to the end.
- tom moody 3-26-2004 1:05 am [add a comment]
I know, I was just hoping it could be avoided. Tuesday only two people had voted. Today when archnewsnow posted it it got over 100 hits. I am surprised by archnewsnow's seemingly conservative readership then... Of course if I felt strongly enough I would be emailing everyone telling them to vote, so I am being a bit of a hypocrite here. Or rather, trying not to skew the polls.
- selma 3-26-2004 1:22 am [add a comment]
thanks for reminding me Tom. back when I had that huge glut of art criticism posts over on my page I thought threaded comments would help organise but instead they created chaos and bad vibes. I forgot to change it back and am doing so right now.
- sally mckay 3-26-2004 2:26 am [add a comment]
Threaded comments are theoretically better; we just don't have the self-discipline and multiple attention spans to make proper use...
- alex 3-26-2004 5:36 am [add a comment]
Threaded comments are theoretically better; we just don't have the self-discipline and multiple attention spans to make proper use...
- alex 3-26-2004 5:37 am [add a comment]
Because it had the effect of blowing one of my own jokes, to be perfectly honest.
- tom moody 3-26-2004 1:11 am [add a comment]
Opps, was that me? Am I commenting incorrectly?
- selma 3-26-2004 1:23 am [add a comment]
No, it was me. I put the poll rant in ahead of my comment about why I voted yes.
- tom moody 3-26-2004 1:27 am [add a comment]
o flat comments entered on settings midstream on this thread. lets see what happens
- bill 3-26-2004 1:30 am [add a comment]
I don't think this page switched. If the pageowner chooses "flat comments" in [editpage] people don't have the option to add comments to upstream comments, only the last one. This and other /schwarz comment pages still appear to be "threaded" or "nested."
- tom moody 3-26-2004 2:40 am [add a comment]
looks like a horse race. she's ahead by a nose. more via slate
- bill 3-26-2004 7:03 pm [add a comment]
I dont know why it is bothering me so much.. I am now deciding -as only 166 people have voted-not to let it bother me.
I don't think I have to provide that reading list on Zaha - the Slate piece is enough. Good piece (and funny too) and a complete list of her projects (including the set design for the Pet Shop Boys concert which I will admit to going to and laughingly say "it was a really really good show.")
- selma 3-26-2004 7:34 pm [add a comment]
here is the link to kultureflash's zaha issue. Some good links from there. Note her paintings if you're interested, they seem to get a lot of attention.
- selma 3-26-2004 11:19 pm [add a comment]
DON’T VOTE FOR ZAHA
According to the firm in question, Morphosis, the web design for the voting is totally confusing and half of their own staff voted for Zaha. it was an internal email only.
What do you think??
- selma 4-14-2004 1:03 am [add a comment]
I don't know about the architecture, but I think they should go with the Gothamist's reworking of the NYC Olympic bid logo.
- jim 4-14-2004 1:42 am [add a comment]
More seriously, I can't believe that firm would send an email to their employees telling them to vote. I know if I was building a voting application I would definitely track IP addresses of voters. And since their office is undoubtedly NAT'd, all of their votes would appear to come from the same address. And it wouldn't be terribly hard to match that address back to the company. Seems like a lot to risk.
Much smaller stakes, obviously, but If I'm remembering correctly, a NYC restaurant was busted for trying to stuff a Time Out New York poll with a simple script somebody wrote to vote over and over for themselves. I just mention that as an example of something that matters very little where IP addresses were being checked. You'd think in this case they would too...
- jim 4-14-2004 1:52 am [add a comment]
i dont think you should take an informal online poll too seriously. i steered away from an olympic village post when the sunday nyt ran a big article on it in difference to mr wilson since he belives that the development would have an adverse effect on his rent. i did like the mvrdv proposal though.
- bill 4-14-2004 2:11 am [add a comment]
That was my favorite, too, even though I hate big high rise developments. Also, why are they calling Long Island City Queensboro? Is that the new realtorspeak?
- tom moody 4-14-2004 2:19 am [add a comment]
I've also heard it called "Queens West." oh-o, sounds schmancy.
- selma 4-14-2004 8:33 pm [add a comment]
'Architect Gets Her Due in Recognition at Home'
Zaha's first UK commission. This, I believe, is happy news.
- selma 1-13-2005 7:43 pm [add a comment]
your loyalty to ZH is fascinating. thanks for your persistence. i see now the designs are of the highest order.
- bill 1-13-2005 10:17 pm [add a comment]
sorry bill, didn't know where to put this. a good read(?) poor zaha.
well some good photos of her latest project anyway.
http://www.hughpearman.com/articles5/zaha.html
- selma 9-14-2005 11:58 pm [add a comment]
thanks selma, good read indeed. you know... uhhhhhhhh ...shes something else.
- bill 9-15-2005 2:06 am [add a comment]